Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

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Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Ettore Viscontini on November 21st, 2013, 6:38 am

Hi folk,

I’ve been involved in a little argumentation about Trinux Samonii with Dr. Adriano Gaspani about the “celtic feasts” problem
As you know the four seasonal feasts, as shown in Coligny’s Calendar, depended from heliacal rising of the following stars: Sirius, Alderan, Antares & Capella.
Trinux Samonii were the only feast not releasted only ot this event but also with lunation. So from 500 Bc to first century AD we can say Trinuxtion Samonii was celebrated on the second day of the second half of Samonios (2 days after last quarter).
Due to precession of Equinoxes after about 1580 sky is changed and not matches with the same during Iron Age. So it’s impossible to take same references during the right season.
There’re three possible solutions:

1) Use Solar Calendar as did Irish monks (creating the modern concept of Celtic Wheel of the Year)
2) Use the same References on very different season (i.e. T.S at the end of January) and avoid Capella (Imbolc) ‘cause it’s circumpolar (always visible)
3) Choose other ref. stars, in the correct season, and making your calculation for T/S

I hope this could be interesting for someone 
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Edwin Deady on November 21st, 2013, 11:48 am

Were these festivals timed by the stars or did the stars coincide with the festivals?
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Ettore Viscontini on November 26th, 2013, 6:55 am

too simple:
stars, season and in T/S case lunation too
I think stars were a suggestion for the three other festival and only T/S had a more 'energetical/astrological/esoteric' connections... but it's only my opinion ;-)
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Dru Durman on November 26th, 2013, 2:32 pm

Bugger.. dashed inconvenient if you ask me! So what's this 'precession of equinoxes', and what happened in 1580 to mess the sky up?
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Ettore Viscontini on November 28th, 2013, 9:38 am

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Postby Dru Durman on December 1st, 2013, 3:26 am

Ah. I see. Blast.
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Postby Alex Hovorka on December 4th, 2013, 8:18 pm

Darn precession messin the sky up.
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Postby Edwin Deady on December 5th, 2013, 4:19 am

Great example of how the Cosmos is not animate, no more is the Earth, and acts completely indifferently to wishes and worshippers.
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Denis Grabow on December 8th, 2013, 5:38 pm

I would choose solution 3. As the equinoxi were the reason for celebration, not the stars indicating such time. We would have to choose new stars and go with them.

At least that's my opinion.
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Re: Trinuxtion Samonii - FYI

Postby Ettore Viscontini on December 30th, 2013, 11:57 am

I agree Denis and I found my ref stars ;-)
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